DETROIT -- Detroit long snapper Don Muhlbach was with the Lions back in 2008, when they became the first -- and so far, the only -- NFL team to go 0-16.This season, as the Cleveland Browns approach that mark of infamy, Muhlbach would rather not see a sequel.That was a brutal year, Muhlbach said. As a football player to another football player, I hope no one else has to go through that.The Browns have three more chances to avoid a winless season, starting with this weekends game at Buffalo. If Cleveland does finish 0-16, those 2008 Lions would have company in that pitiable club, but Detroit isnt exactly buzzing with anticipation.Can we wait for them to go 0-16 before I pop champagne? joked Dominic Raiola, who played center for the Lions from 2001-2014.All kidding aside, its not like an 0-16 season in Cleveland would change what the Lions had to endure eight years ago.I havent been following what theyve been doing and I dont really care if they win a game or not, said Raiola, now an assistant strength and conditioning coach for the Lions.The Browns actually have a chance to surpass the 2008 Lions in one measure of futility. Cleveland also lost all four of its preseason games this season. Before Detroits 0-16 nightmare under Rod Marinelli eight years ago, the Lions managed to win the four games that didnt count.Of course, even that may have come with a cost.We were 4-0 in the preseason and showed our whole hand, said Roy Williams, a wide receiver for that team. We used all our plays and didnt change anything when the season started.Williams got off easy that year. He was traded in October to Dallas. But he has some, well, interesting tales.What really sums it up is what happened in Atlanta in our first game, Williams said. We were about to score and (quarterback Jon) Kitna was gesturing to the sideline to let them know that he wasnt hearing a play in his headset. Rod says into the headset, `Come in Jim! Jim! Colletto! And Colletto finally answered and said, `Sorry, coach. I mustve dozed off.Colletto, who was Detroits offensive coordinator that year, says he doesnt remember any incident like that. He says in their Thanksgiving loss to Tennessee, the Lions were penalized for delay of game immediately after a timeout, and he had to apologize to Marinelli because hed drawn a blank on what play to call.There wasnt anybody dozing off, Colletto said.Colletto can certainly empathize with what Clevelands coaches are facing now.I know (Browns coach) Hue Jackson. Theres a lot of good coaches there, Colletto said. Its hard. Its really hard. I know what theyre going through.The 2008 Lions had their chances to win a game. During one stretch, they dropped games to Minnesota, Houston, Washington and Chicago, all by eight points or fewer. Detroit was even tied in the fourth quarter of the season finale at Green Bay before falling 31-21.Every week it just kept building and building, Muhlbach said.Muhlbach and quarterback Dan Orlovsky are the only current Lions players who were with the team in 2008. Needless to say, its hard to stay hopeful during a season like that, and players -- both in Detroit in 2008 and Cleveland this year -- are put to an unenviable test.Be a pro. You have a job to do, said Tampa Bay offensive lineman Gosder Cherilus, who played for the Lions in 2008. Every day you wake up, dont look at the record. Know youre a big part of the team and every time you have a chance, you want to be a part of the reason theyre winning -- not part of the reason why theyre losing. At the end of the day, not everyones going to give you their best, but you want to be one of the good guys.If theres any solace for the Browns, its that the Lions actually recovered from 0-16 rather quickly. That awful season netted them the No. 1 pick in the 2009 draft, which they used on quarterback Matthew Stafford.Calvin Johnson was in his second season when the Lions went winless, and he went on to become one of the greatest players in franchise history. Team president Matt Millen was fired during that 2008 season, and Marinelli met the same fate when it was over. The Lions moved on with Martin Mayhew as general manager and Jim Schwartz as coach.Neither of them is still with the organization, but they helped the Lions recover from depths no team had ever reached. In 2011, Detroit made the playoffs -- and Stafford is a big part of this years NFC North-leading team .Yeah, but we couldve won one game and still got Stafford, Muhlbach said.Plenty of teams have hit rock bottom and then returned to respectability. Only one of them went 0-16.The memories of that season linger for those who experienced it.Sometimes when you keep hearing how much of a loser you are, you start to believe it and you accept it. Dont you ever accept that, regardless, Cherilus said. A lot of people think you win in the National Football League just on talent, but it takes so much more than that. 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One spectator said loudly to the other, A lot of high-performance work needed here… Without breaking stride, Howard retorted, very funny, and continued on his way.If the result at Pallekele was instructive as to where the Test team must improve, then the above exchange was as telling about the way Howard is still perceived by many in and around Australian cricket. October will make five years for him in the job as Cricket Australias executive general manager - team performance, a role sculpted specifically through the review chaired in 2011 by Don Argus.This has been a most turbulent period, and Howards tenure has been marked by conflict and change. He has needed plenty of resilience in seeking to implement many of Argus recommendations. Through that time, Howards instinct has been to do much as he did in response to the high performance jibe - keep striving forward, if offering the occasional backhander along the way.****In August 2011, at the time the Argus review findings were announced, Howard was chief of operations for Cromwell Property Group in Brisbane, having left a high-performance role with the Australian Rugby Union in 2008.I was assistant coach of a rugby team at Queensland University helping out a mate, and by chance John Buchanans son was in that team, Howard tells ESPNcricinfo. I was chatting to him and away it went. Five years is a long time ago, my kids were a lot younger then, I can say that.Through rugby, Howard had experience in just about every role around the game, from representing the Wallabies and coaching Leicester, to serving on the board of the players association. Being based in Brisbane meant he could work out of CAs Centre of Excellence - later expanded and renamed the National Cricket Centre - and in being the first post-Argus appointment, he had a say in the choices of John Inverarity as selection chairman and Mickey Arthur as coach. Quickly it became apparent that while Howard was willing to learn about the game, he was an equally hawkish advocate of change.I have to really justify every decision, and that was the really hard bit about it, Howard says. I got a reputation as a bit of a data guy there for a while, but that was all about trying to justify decisions and justify points. The first couple of years you have to deal with differences if you want to make change, and that can upset people at times.Without question at times I probably went too hard for change, but to a certain extent youre always going to have positive and negative views on things. Hindsight is brilliant, you never have it beforehand, but weve made some good decisions, weve made some decisions where you think, could I have handled it better, could I have given people more time to digest it, sometimes less time to digest it and just go through with it. Thats aiming for perfection. Overall I think were pretty happy but not satisfied.Howards level of energy is hard to match. One colleague remarks that it is difficult to work out when he sleeps, given the varied hours of the day and night that Howard emails tend to buzz their way into CA inboxes. Customarily visible in the early days of any cricket tour, he will help out in drills occasionally, and one morning at Pallekele could be seen juggling cricket balls in a nod to a childhood job, working sideshow alley.The juggling balls have not always gone to hand, in private or public. The years of 2012-13 were marked by numerous spot fires, whether getting into shouting matches with Channel Nine commentators over the decision to rest David Warner from ODI matches following the home Tests, or in alienating Shane Watson by declaring he was prohibited from using the external physio Victor Popov. Howard also found himself negotiating the players payment MOU with the Australian Cricketers Association, an arrangement that irked many, as Howard had been styled as the national teams man in the executive rather than the bad cop at the collective bargaining table.It was really challenging, but a role Id done before, Howard says. In many roles your manager has to decide where your remuneration is but also be really positive about where youre going to grow. Im very much a link between the playing group and CA, between the strategy and the team. Im well aware I want to win as much as anyone and make sure the team has the resources to win. How do we give ourselves the best chance of winning?****The first half of 2013 placed Howard squarely in the spotlight as what Argus had defined as the single point of accountability for the performance of the Australian team. When the team management on that years India tour, primarily the coach Arthur, the manager Gavin Dovey, and the captain Michael Clarke chose to summarily suspend Mitchell Johnson, Shane Watson, Usman Khawaja and James Pattinson in response to mounting disciplinary problems on tour, Howard found himself having to defend a decision of which he had not been initially part.At a press conference in Brisbane on March 12, Howards bluntness got the better of him. Responding to a question about Watson, the vice-captain, he replied: I know Shane reasonably well, I think he acts in the best interests of the team sometimes. That comment drew a furious response from Watson and many in Australian cricket, including the following missive from Alan Jones on radio show 2GB: Youve got this other nobody Pat Howard, who knows nothing, saying hes not a team man.In keeping with his reputation for endless energy, Howard had been a hard-driving manager for Arthur, pressuring the coach for success and heightening his already prevalent outsiders anxiety. Arthur felt compelled from several directions to act in India, and was then advised when Howard arrived for the final Test of the series in Delhi that this better work. The reason, of course, was that Howards own job would be placed at risk should further issues arise. When they did during the Champions Trophy in England, Howard and the chief executive James Sutherland began secret deliberations around replacing Arthur with Darren Lehmann. It was the tensest of times.These decisions dont come lightly. There was a fair bit of work done there and we understood this, Howard says. Mickeys with Pakistan now and hes obviously a very good coach, but that environment wasnt working well. We made a change. We knew how good Darren was [with Queensland], we put him in the Australia A tour, he was with Rod [Marsh], so we knew that combination was going to be there and ready to go. I think wed all admit that worked well and its credit to Darren in terms of how hes come along.Sutherland made rare appearances around the team either side of Arthurs firing and Lehmanns appointment. That was a really difficult time for everyone, he says. It wasnt personal; weve got the highest regard for Mickey Arthur as a person and we wanted to be as sensitive about it as we posssibly could, but at the same time we felt it was the right time of change and we needed to make a change.dddddddddddd It was a difficult time and history will ultimately be the judge as to whether that decision was vindicated, but you have to make decisions from time to time and we did.Less edifying than the sacking itself was its aftermath. Howard handed Arthur only three months worth of severance pay, a decision the affable South African disputed after speaking to friends back home in Perth. That led to a statement of claim being lodged with Australias industrial arbiter, and the airing of dirty laundry in the days before the Lords Test match, namely the allegation that Clarke had referred to Watson as a cancer on the team. Arthur finished up with a fair settlement, and has rebounded admirably to mentor Pakistan. The terms of CA contracts and their internal oversight were understandably reviewed and changed to avoid a repeat.Nevertheless, Lehmanns appointment proved to be a circuit breaker, not only in terms of the teams fortunes but also the definition of Howards role. Having chosen a coach with very strong opinions, Howard was content to take a backward step from the team, and to support whatever Lehmann and the captain, Michael Clarke, needed. That changed dynamic helped in an improving display across the Ashes tour, and ultimately the raucous 5-0 sweep of England at home. Where Howard had started 2013 highly visible, he ended it much more in the background, working on the underpinnings of national teams rather than dictating as much at what he calls the front end.Various measures at lower levels have included an overhaul of the Sheffield Shield points system, the addition of a CA XI to the Matador Cup, and moving that tournament into a carnival-style event at the start of the season. There has also been the increasingly strategic use of substitute players in the Shield to allow CA to manage the workloads of fast bowlers in particular, and injury incidences have declined steadily.Earlier this year a Shield fixture was played in New Zealand for the first time, in the absence of a tour match before Australias Test series win. Howard was also an advocate for the reduction in the number of grassy strips being prepared for first-class matches in order to help batsmen build bigger innings. That diktat, and the installing of spin-friendly wickets at the NCC, are yet to reap Asian dividends.For everything you implement, three go well and two go poorly, Howard says. I am happy to change things that havent gone well. Im absolutely free to admit there are things weve tried that havent worked. But at the same stage there are things weve tried where were not quite sure of the end product yet. The Sheffield Shield points change, I wasnt sure it was going to deliver what we were after, but weve seen a lot more spin bowling played, seen a lot of young players score centuries, and the balance between bat and ball, both anecdotally and by the stats, has been better.There are things you try and say, Gee, I hope this works well, and for all the planning you do sometimes once youve had enough information you have to try it, and then adjust. Thats what weve done with the Shield points - weve put it in, its worked pretty well, then well just tinker around the edges to get it even better.****The sense that Lehmann was now running the show took something of a hit in 2015, when the Ashes were given up with a pair of horrendous batting displays in Birmingham and Nottingham. Subsequent to that result, it is said that Howard took back a measure of control over proceedings, as reflected by how the support staff around Lehmann has been turned over in large measure. Howard is adamant he doesnt mind working with others of strong opinions, highlighted by the hiring of David Saker as Lehmanns new assistant.Were not after yes-men, Howard says. I remind Darren we had some challenges in this period [before hiring him], and Davids the same. A challenging environment helps cricket grow. So we want to stay ahead in Test cricket, and that means people challenging you. David with England won in India, hes come in for a year of Shield and has been a head coach, so we know he can step up into that role when required and he will.We thought Justin Langer went very, very well in the West Indies [for the triangular ODI series] with a new group. We want to keep investing in coaching and coaching depth to strengthen the whole system. Rod and I have fantastic conversations and challenges. You can imagine how different our views are sometimes. The same with Darren, the same with David Saker, and Id have to say the state coaches. We have them up in May all around the table. I was in the room, so was Rod, so was Darren, and we want that challenging environment where were all trying to improve. Introducing people like Saker, people like Darren, that stream of professional conflict is a way of challenging how we do things. Sometimes you come out of those meetings thinking, You know what, were doing the right thing, lets keep going, or Why dont we try this. That to me is a really good way to do things. Not throw the baby out with the bath water all the time, but continue to grow and try things as you progress.****Howard is presently under contract until 2017, but is yet to receive the same two-year extension granted to Lehmann. Whether it is healthy to keep Howard on for any longer than his current term is a matter for conjecture, as is the question of whether, having had a change agent in place for half a decade, it is now time for CA to choose someone else with greater cricket pedigree to re-examine the fundamentals that have gone so badly awry in Sri Lanka, the UAE and India.[Weve been] No. 1 in two of the three formats, theres been a World Cup, Ashes at home was comprehensive but the two Ashes away werent good enough, Howard says. Whats most disappointing for some people is, most of us believe we had the capability to win there. Playing well in the subcontinent and improving in those conditions is obviously a huge thing for us.As weve seen, playing in different countries is hard, and weve got to adjust and adapt, and just because you see something on a video doesnt mean youre going to be able to translate that on the ground straight away. But over time, with as much lead-in as you can, multiple Tests as well, how people learn. Weve got that India tour again coming up and were seeing weve got to continue to improve. Its hard, and we know weve got to continue to grow.While Australian cricket is much better aligned in 2016 than it was in 2011, Howards presence will always be a source of scepticism so long as results divert from the strongest possible. No matter how long he stays, he will always be seen by some in the disparaging terms Jones offered a little more than three years ago. How justified they are remains a matter for debate; more certain is the fact that Howard will keep arguing his corner. ' ' '